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Posted 29 October 2018 - 07:06 PM

Hello

hoping some kind soul or a not so kind one Iam not picky, can give me some advice on a PC upgrade

 

so my first quistion is

Corsair Value Select DDR4 2400MHz 8GB x 2

Or

Adata XPG Gammix D10 Black DDR4 3000MHz 2x4GB

What will be better , and Should I get a

 

Be Quiet! Pure Rock Slim or is the stock cooler of the Ryzen 2600x just as good ?

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 08:44 PM

What do you use the computer for?

 

The first set of RAM will give you twice as much, but slightly slower. In my opinion, the higher speed is not going to help anything much at all, while the extra quantity might depending on what you're doing. However, https://pricespy.co....t.php?p=4490343 https://pricespy.co....t.php?p=4792131 and https://pricespy.co....t.php?p=3763016 are all cheaper and will be just as good.

 

The replacement cooler is probably better, but I believe the AMD stock coolers are said to be fairly good. Are you going to overclock? If so, you'll definitely need a different cooler, but probably a better one than that (possibly the Cooler Master Hyper 212X). Otherwise I'd probably use the stock cooler initially, and buy a different one later if you want something better and/or quieter.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 07:24 AM

Thanks for the advice , i will be using it mostly for games and some office work .

If you think Corsair Value Select DDR4 2666MHz are more worth i will go for it and save few dollars ,

Cooler Master Hyper 212 X will that work with Ryzen?

I may do some light overclocking nothing too fancy ,

one more thing if I can ask

between the

Asus Prime B450M-K and MSI B450M PRO-M2

To go with the ryzen 2600x what will be better ?



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 08:05 AM

Good point, the 212X needs a kit to work with AM4 – sorry I didn't spot that before suggesting it. If you're only considering some light overclocking, I'd probably just stick with the stock cooler until you find it won't do what you want.

 

Of those motherboards, I'd definitely go for the Asus. To me, it appears to have more / better features while actually being cheaper.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 08:06 AM

I went from DDR4 2400 to DDR4 3200 with my Ryzen 2600x and noticed a few frames (up to 5) per second difference in the games that I play. If it were me, I would buy the faster ram initially, and add more later when you can. Ryzen does do a bit better with faster ram, and DDR4 3000 seems to be the recommended starting point from all of the research I did.

 

For the cooler, the stock cooler does an adequate job. I have also found there is very little to be gained in overclocking my CPU manually. I just leave it at stock and let XFR do its thing and boost the CPU itself. I use a H100i because I already had it, and noticed a very small difference in boost clock speed with it as opposed to the stock cooler. This would be due to the better thermal performance I would say.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 12:22 PM

I went from DDR4 2400 to DDR4 3200 with my Ryzen 2600x and noticed a few frames (up to 5) per second difference in the games that I play. If it were me, I would buy the faster ram initially, and add more later when you can. Ryzen does do a bit better with faster ram, and DDR4 3000 seems to be the recommended starting point from all of the research I did.
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Interesting! But seeing that's the case, I definitely retract my earlier statements and would recommend the faster RAM. 8 GB should be enough anyway.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 07:17 AM

To be fair that wasn't all games. Battlefield definitely improved, as did F1 2017. Farcry 5 showed no improvement at all though so definitely your results will vary setup to setup.

 

I would still get the faster ram regardless.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 07:44 AM

Is that a 5fps improvement in a game that's running at 100fps? Or is that a 5fps improvement when the game is running at 25fps? Ie. are you going to see a 5% improvement or a 20% improvement?

 

I would go more ram over faster ram in this case. If you're doing anything on the PC productivity wise (or even if you just use more than 5 tabs in chrome at a time) you'll love the extra ram. In my view "up to 5fps" "in some games" seems negligible.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 08:07 AM

Is that a 5fps improvement in a game that's running at 100fps? Or is that a 5fps improvement when the game is running at 25fps? Ie. are you going to see a 5% improvement or a 20% improvement?

 

I would go more ram over faster ram in this case. If you're doing anything on the PC productivity wise (or even if you just use more than 5 tabs in chrome at a time) you'll love the extra ram. In my view "up to 5fps" "in some games" seems negligible.

 

Totally valid questions. Definitely not a 20% improvement in games as I do not have games that run anywhere near 25fps - it would definitely be closer to your first example of a 5fps improvement at 100fps overall.

 

My example above was purely to demonstrate that Ryzen had perceptible performance gains with higher frequency ram for me. It all comes down to what a user prefers and as my PC is used for gaming 95% of the time, I will personally take every bit of extra performance I can get. You are completely right with saying that for some users, this would not be the priority. In a ideal situation I think the sweet spot is 16GB of higher frequency ram for Ryzen and in this case the OP would have to make a choice about what is important to them in this regard.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 08:17 AM

And, seeing the use has been specified as "mostly for games and some office work," I would suggest that 8 GB of RAM should be plenty – unless some of the latest games are wanting crazy amounts that I've missed hearing about.

 

And if Chrome is using too much RAM, just switch to Firefox...


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 08:35 AM

I've seen my system use over 10GB of ram when running BF1....


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 04:16 PM

A lot of that is probably cached stuff that doesn't really need to be there, so less than that much RAM would probably have a very minor effect. But if it's not, then it could be very bad indeed...


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Posted 01 November 2018 - 02:09 PM

I've seen/read Ryzen reviews that mention faster ram being beneficial so I understand where you're coming from.

 

In saying that I don't really think a potential 5% fps improvement in select games is worth halfing your ram for. It's never going to be the difference between a game being playable or unplayable. Might as well have more capacity.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 10:17 AM

Thank you so much for the advice ,

 

I am trying to keep the cost down a bit .

 

So if you have to choose between a Ryzen 2600 vs I3 8250K, what will be better ?

 

i got my self a Samsung 850 EVO 500gb,and will get 16 gb of ram, I am sticking with my old case ,PSU and the old 1060,

hoping we get some good sales for xmas

 

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 10:53 AM

So if you have to choose between a Ryzen 2600 vs I3 8250K, what will be better ?

 

Great question: (assume you mean the i3 8350k)

 

From the looks of this video they are super similar in performance:

 

 

The i3 does edge out the Ryzen in some games. But the 2600 has extra cores so that could be nice?

 

Depending on pricing of motherboards - you will need a Z370 motherboard to overclock the i3. But the 2600 can be overclocked on most of the Ryzen motherboards. So you might end up saving money going Ryzen on the motherboard side of things. (correct me if this is wrong)


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 11:44 AM

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The i3 does edge out the Ryzen in some games. But the 2600 has extra cores so that could be nice?

 

Depending on pricing of motherboards - you will need a Z370 motherboard to overclock the i3. But the 2600 can be overclocked on most of the Ryzen motherboards. So you might end up saving money going Ryzen on the motherboard side of things. (correct me if this is wrong)

 

The comparison I did on Anandtech Bench suggested the Ryzen 2600 is better in some games, but fairly similar in many others. However, they don't have any i3 8xxx so I was comparing with the i5 7500 – both are quad-core without HTT and approximately the same cores, but the i5 is 3.6 GHz vs 4 Ghz, and I didn't check caches.

 

You're absolutely right with regards to motherboards for overclocking. So if overclocking is necessary, the Ryzen will definitely be cheaper. But if not, i3 8100 also becomes an option.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 11:55 AM

Holy cow, them Z motherboards cost a pretty penny .

be cheaper to stick to Ryzren



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Posted 02 November 2018 - 12:14 PM

Perhaps i should have mentioned that i am trying to upgrade from a I5 7400. that seem rather unresponsive . and ask is it worth the upgrade to a

Ryzen 2600 or a the I3 8250K?

 

or just the upgrade to a SSD and the extra Ram will do the job.



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Posted 02 November 2018 - 04:33 PM

Perhaps i should have mentioned that i am trying to upgrade from a I5 7400. that seem rather unresponsive . and ask is it worth the upgrade to a

Ryzen 2600 or a the I3 8250K?

 

or just the upgrade to a SSD and the extra Ram will do the job.

what is your current build?, the 7400 should be fine, i wouldn't really upgrade to another motherboard till mid/next year.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 04:36 PM

There's nothing wrong with an i5 7400 – it's what I've got. The 8350K would hardly be an upgrade. The SSD is definitely the thing you want if responsiveness is the issue and you don't have one already. Extra RAM might help if you're RAM-limited at all, but you shouldn't be.
 
So in my opinion you should just forget about upgrading the CPU / mobo, and get a decent SSD. Probably https://pricespy.co....t.php?p=4762684 or https://pricespy.co....t.php?p=4762685, or if your mobo doesn't support that, https://pricespy.co....t.php?p=4655194.


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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:52 PM

I did get a Samsung 850 EVO 500gb i been keeping  to put in with the new parts ,that may solve the issue ,

 

one thing i can not seems to sort is the file transfer speeds in my use 3 or even 3.1 ports , even connected to a usb 3 memory stick the transfer speeds are less then 10 mbps and take forever to transfer ,

this was one of the reason i was thinking maybe i needed a upgrade .


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 07:28 AM

I did get a Samsung 850 EVO 500gb i been keeping  to put in with the new parts ,that may solve the issue ,

 

one thing i can not seems to sort is the file transfer speeds in my use 3 or even 3.1 ports , even connected to a usb 3 memory stick the transfer speeds are less then 10 mbps and take forever to transfer ,

this was one of the reason i was thinking maybe i needed a upgrade .

 

Try a fresh install of Windows if you can when you get the SSD.

 

10mb/s is pretty slow, but are you transferring files to something like a cheap USB stick? (if it's a whole lot of little files it might be a understandable.)


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 08:18 AM

Yeah, a cheap USB 3 stick won't be particularly fast. No drive will be particularly fast with lots of small files (because that's effectively a random rather than sequential transfer). Also, your transfer speed is dependent on the source drive (in this case a mechanical HDD) as well as the destination drive.


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