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Posted 15 March 2015 - 02:43 PM

Long story short, magic lantern is very tempting. 

I've been using my family's Nikon D3300 for a while now, they asked me to recommend them a camera for around $600 that won't become obsolete later in life. They just wanted a decent point and click that they could use their old Nikon lenses on so I just watched a whole lot of reviews.

Now I want to get my own camera as I miss having one. Looking at the features of the magic lantern, I'm definitely drawn towards Canon at the moment. Also very interested in the video capture.

 

Basically I want the best of both worlds and I don't want to pay bucketloads. A DSLR seems to be a good combination of still photo (obviously) and video. It looks like a 700D with magic lantern has everything I want with a few compromises.

 

No compromises on the still photos which is great.
Shooting video in RAW will be fine for 720p/24fps, but upscaled to 1080p it is more aliased than a regular h.264 1080p/24fps. I would love the ability to be able to produce some simple videos for both my degree and for hobby stuff. Is 1080p really necessary or is 720p RAW upscaled good enough? Or should I just stick with h.264? The reason for wanting the 700D is for the flip out display which would be handy for filming myself, however if the camera is tethered, this may not be necessary.

And are there any recommendations for a body under $1000 that kind of fits these features? Do I have more dollars than sense? Be as brutal as you can, I want to hear it now, not later!  ^_^ 
 


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:17 PM

Most important thing... will you exclusively be doing video? If so, get a used C100, else 700d is sweet, but a used 6D would be sweeter (unsure of cost though).

What lenses would you be using? Do you like primes, or do you prefer the lower quality, more versatile zooms? I personally use both zooms and primes, and since I do both photo and video, the 650d (basically a 700d, minus the new tag), is very nice for me.

It really depends, also, how much are you planning on spending on lenses? That can be a big factor.
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Posted 15 March 2015 - 05:34 PM

Preferably cheaper lenses. I've seen some pretty decent ones for reasonable prices. Versatile zooms seem like winners for a true rookie like me. It's definitely not just for video, I would just love it to be more versatile and take some really great video. C100? You trolling? Haha.
Yeah I've been looking at a 650D, 700D, 750D, and 760D. The most common one to find second hand is a 700D but I'd happily take any of those as they're all pretty similar. So by what you're saying, you agree that this is a decent option? All depends on lenses I guess. I've been keeping an eye out for 60D and 6D. Unfortunately the 6D doesn't seem to want to go under 1500 second hand unless the shutter count is high.

I'm only a hobby rookie photographer and probably wouldn't utilise any decent lenses anyway.
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Posted 15 March 2015 - 06:47 PM

Preferably cheaper lenses. I've seen some pretty decent ones for reasonable prices. Versatile zooms seem like winners for a true rookie like me. It's definitely not just for video, I would just love it to be more versatile and take some really great video. C100? You trolling? Haha.
Yeah I've been looking at a 650D, 700D, 750D, and 760D. The most common one to find second hand is a 700D but I'd happily take any of those as they're all pretty similar. So by what you're saying, you agree that this is a decent option? All depends on lenses I guess. I've been keeping an eye out for 60D and 6D. Unfortunately the 6D doesn't seem to want to go under 1500 second hand unless the shutter count is high.

I'm only a hobby rookie photographer and probably wouldn't utilise any decent lenses anyway.

 

What sort of ranges would you be looking at? Something like 24-105, and a wider 12-24 or something? But I would defiantly recommend picking up a cheap 50/1.8, maybe a 24/2.8.

 

I honestly didn't realise how expensive the C100 is, considering the fact the Mark II is far superior, yet they are around the same price. I thought they'd be around $1100. Dayum.

 

I love my 650d for video, and the *Rebel* series is definitely good for video.

 

Would I personally choose the 700d? Perhaps, but it depends. If it were me, I'd buy a 600d, unless I really wanted the touch screen the 650d+ offers, but compromising with the flip out screen.

 

So why would I buy a 600d?

  • More money to spend on lenses. yassssss. more sharp, more apperture, less iso, better picture yassss
  • You have a unique feature, which let's you crop the picture in, and zoom it in, without expensive lenses. yas.
  • You have the same sensor. Basically.
  • For video, it's almost the same.
  • Photo? Ok, not as good, still really nice, I know people how use it all the time, and have great results. It's one of the most used cameras on flickr - speaks for itself.

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 08:24 PM

Honestly when it comes to lenses, I'm not sure what range I want. I definitely want a 50/1.8. And as far as it goes from there, I'm open to suggestions (lol). 

I can see myself shooting mostly scenery and weather (bad weather, but I'm not concerned about weather proof). So there's a mixture of lighting and long distance there. 

I'd also want a daily lens that isn't too bulky for low to medium distances, so basically whatever you can suggest. I should really research these lenses up a bit more.

So a 600D sounds like it'll be better for me. I'm probably not going to miss the extras that a 700D will offer me. And yeah you're right, it'll be nice to save that money and invest it in some lenses. That flip out screen is still there and to be honest, I didn't even know the 700D had touch screen which shows how little that means to me.

You've convinced me on that 600D. 
Yeah that C100 is ridiculous! I couldn't believe it too. 

If I was to buy a new 600D, who would you recommend I buy from? I see BecexTech has it quite cheap, but it's BecexTech after all... The forum knows all about them. On the other hand there's buying second hand.


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 08:50 PM

I'd be tempted to get something with a kit lens. Shoot with it for a bit and work out exactly what sort of lens(es) you want/need. Depend what the price difference is for whatever you end up wanting though, often it's not a lot extra, but if it's $100 or something you'd may as well just spend a tad extra and get a half-decent lens yourself.


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 10:58 PM

On my parents' Nikon D3300, they have an 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 f, and I like it. It just sucks in the dark. That could be a combination of the camera as well though. I would love to take some night photography as we do track days at our local track, sometimes at night. Also night photos look great :D

Yeah that thought did cross my mind. Plus I'd at least want a lens to play around with while another lens from overseas arrived.

Where would you recommend I buy the camera from?


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 08:11 AM

How does the range of the 18-55 feel to you? Do you feel like you want more reach? That 18 is too wide? etc. etc.

 

Since you already have experience with an 18-55, then playing with something nicer will feel extra good :3

 

I reckon some nice starter lenses would be:

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 03:42 PM

The 18 definitely isn't too wide. It's a great lens. I would love more reach though. Before the dslr I was used to much longer zoom point and click cameras. I know they aren't a good reference because of sacrificing quality for zoom but I do miss that reach. I definitely want a 50mm,but a 24mm pancake sounds delicious. If there was one decent lens that I'd really want it'd be a 50mm. Love some nice low light too.

That's good to hear! They only have it marginally more expensive too.

All in all I'm just a rookie looking to have some fun. Lenses and cameras can be sold with only a moderate loss, and I really miss that dslr. :)
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Posted 16 March 2015 - 05:12 PM

The 18 definitely isn't too wide. It's a great lens. I would love more reach though. Before the dslr I was used to much longer zoom point and click cameras. I know they aren't a good reference because of sacrificing quality for zoom but I do miss that reach. I definitely want a 50mm,but a 24mm pancake sounds delicious. If there was one decent lens that I'd really want it'd be a 50mm. Love some nice low light too.

That's good to hear! They only have it marginally more expensive too.

All in all I'm just a rookie looking to have some fun. Lenses and cameras can be sold with only a moderate loss, and I really miss that dslr. :)

 

That's when you swap to a different lens...

 

But such lenses do exist, for example https://pricespy.co....uct.php?p=32405(I've no idea how good it actually is, as I haven't bothered to read reviews).


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 05:54 PM

Yeah, I understand that's the case. These are just examples of what I'd hope to achieve and it may require three or four different lenses. 12-200? Didn't even know that existed!
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Posted 16 March 2015 - 06:01 PM

12? The one I posted is 18 – 200. But you're probably better off with a couple of cheaper lenses than one expensive lens that covers the whole range, even though it might cost more and be less convenient.


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 06:11 PM

I've used a Canon 18-200 kit lens. Not not highest quality, but it's decent enough and it's versatile. So it's nifty if you're ever in a situation where you could be taking long distance shots one minute and something fairly close the next. If you know you're going going to be doing a whole session at roughly the same sort of distances, or don't mind switching between lenses, then getting a couple of different ones for a certain purpose may be a better option. If you did want one more all-purpose lens, I'd be more tempted to go with a 18-135 (or similar), I never needed to extend the 18-200 out all the way, so unless you're doing some really long range stuff, it's probably plenty.


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:19 PM

Sorry I misread. Yeah, I like the idea of having a dedicated lens for a further reach. Cheap lenses to begin with won't be an issue for me. If I truly want a better lens later, I will upgrade to it. Seems like a but of a waste on someone like me to go grab a decent lens right off the bat when I couldn't utilise it until I got much better. And I'd probably learn more and get better with a variety of lenses.
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Posted 17 March 2015 - 01:33 AM

I'm also wondering if I should look out for a second hand 70D on trademe as I see they can sell around 800 which is only a short reach from a 650d. Buying based on shutter count can be a bit risky so I've been told
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Posted 17 March 2015 - 08:54 AM

The 55-250/4-5.6 is really nice: https://pricespy.co....ct.php?p=920149

 

I picked mine up for $400 in it's earlier days, and it was totally worth it then, so the $200 from expert infotech today is amazing! It's very sharp, but don't shoot any wildlife that's less than 20m away, because the AF gets very slow for fast moving things at closer distances. If you want the same zoom of 55-250, but even sharper, super fast AF, better colour reproduction etc, then get the new version: https://pricespy.co....t.php?p=2148019but it will cost more.

 

If you do see a 70d, that would be perfect, it's the only camera in your price range with video AF that actually works!


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 09:21 AM

Fast auto focus is probably one of those things I'd miss if I knew about it. I've
never experienced it. I've been looking on trademe for a 70D body but they're still going for at least 900. Kinda says something about the resale but there's probably no point to in the risk when infotech has it for a little more. The video AF and the general consensus on my research on the Canon range pretty much says that the 70D is the best of both worlds, but it is quite a step up in price.

Spoilt for choice really...

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 01:06 PM

I've decided that a 70D is the best bet. Especially if I'm going to fork out for a 650D/700D, I may as well just go for the camera with the best video because I'll be doing a great mix of the two. Now I'm just going to wait two weeks to see if the desire is still there. I always wait two weeks before making a big purchase like this haha.

 

Thanks for all your help! I'll probably be back to ask about lenses.


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